Wednesday, March 25, 2015

What if Padme lived?

http://boards.theforce.net/threads/what-if-padme-lived.50028026/






What if Padme lived?

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by SatineNaberrie, Mar 7, 2015.
Watch Thread
Go To First Unread
Moderators: Bazinga'd

  1. SatineNaberrie Jedi Grand Master

    Member Since:
    Jan 28, 2014
    star 3
    New
    What do you imagine happening?

    Would she stick with her husband and live miserably with Vader, while disagreeing with him, living like a prisoner?
    Would she live with him and agree with all he does? (I definitely have a hard time seeing that one)
    Going into hiding and become bitter and hate her husband?
    Live in the outer-rim changing her name and doesn't care about the galaxy anymore?
    Go into hiding and move on with her life?
    Become like Black Swan?
    Live in hiding before coming out years later bitter, with a vengeance against Vader and Palpatine blaming them for all that has happened to her?

    There is quiet a bit more possibilities..that are way better than losing the will to live
    SatineNaberrie, Mar 7, 2015 at 10:35 PM Report
    #1 Reply

  2. Darth_Furio Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Apr 18, 2008
    star 7
    New
    Considering how she felt there was still good in Vader, I think she would have stayed and tried to turn him back to the Light Side of the Force. Of course that would confuse Vader even more and her presence would have forced Palpatine to take action against her.
    Darth_Furio, Yesterday at 1:21 PM Report
    #2 Reply
    The Supreme Chancellor and Iron_lord like this.

  3. Bardan_Jusik Mand'alor - Manager of the EUC, SWC and Spinoffs

    Manager
    Member Since:
    Dec 14, 2009
    star 10
    New
    This is a question for PT
    Bardan_Jusik, Yesterday at 6:18 PM Report
    #3 Reply

  4. SatineNaberrie Jedi Grand Master

    Member Since:
    Jan 28, 2014
    star 3
    New
    Just to clarify so people don't misunderstand my first post, I am NOT staying Padme going dark is better than losing the will to live, nor would I want all of those things I listed to happen. I just listed them as possibilities. I think Lucas could have done many things to Padme that would have been more interesting than what we got in ROTS.

    I actually would find it interesting if she lived in hiding raising Luke and becoming somewhat bitter. I wouldn't want her to stay that way, but I would find a story where she becomes cynical and mistrusting of people, but regains her compassion before the end.
    SatineNaberrie, Yesterday at 7:12 PM Report
    #4 Reply

  5. The Supreme Chancellor Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Sep 4, 2012
    star 4
    New
    I think right at the point where Obi-Wan intervened, Padme was ready to turn away from Anakin before joining him in his actions. She asked him one final time "come away with me" and he refused. I think that was it for her. She certainly may have tried to reason with him from then on, but I don't think there was any chance Padme would have sat around as the Lady of the Empire.
    The Supreme Chancellor, Yesterday at 7:21 PM Report
    #5 Reply

  6. CT-867-5309 Chosen One

    Member Since:
    Jan 6, 2011
    star 5
    New
    I think she would have ran away and went into hiding.

    Vader would have stalked her to the ends of the galaxy. Seeing the resources at his disposal, eventually he would have caught up with her. Eventually, she would die, probably at Vader's hands, or at the hands of her pursuers, or in some accident trying to escape.

    One way or another, along the way I think Padme would have left the kids somewhere she thought they were safe. Perhaps Vader would have tracked them down, too.
    CT-867-5309, Yesterday at 11:01 PM Report
    #6 Reply

  7. JEDI-RISING Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Apr 15, 2005
    star 4
    New
    i don't think she would have stayed with him. i really don't know what he would have done.
    JEDI-RISING, Today at 12:12 AM Report
    #7 Reply

  8. DARTHLINK Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Feb 25, 2005
    star 3
    New
    She would've likely had to leave the kids for their own protection and either go into hiding or be the head of the Rebellion. It actually was how I imagined what had happened to Padme. She was the former head of the Rebellion before she was killed, then Leia took over.
    DARTHLINK, Today at 9:31 AM Report
    #8 Reply

  9. sarlaccsaurs-rex Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Apr 11, 2007
    star 4
    New
    She should have... her death should have been left a mystery. (Or an EU novel if absolutely necessary) Not everything needs explained.
    sarlaccsaurs-rex, Today at 12:50 PM Report
    #9 Reply
    You like this.

  10. Original Oatmeal Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Jan 23, 2013
    star 1
    New
    If Padme lived, Vader would have either joined her eventually, or not as seen in ROTS. My question would be in how the Emperor got Anakin to see the Jedi as evil from a certain point of view. I understand it to some extent but I am confused.

    Anakin wanted to save his wife from childbirth death. If she didn't die, then his attempt to save her would have felt pointless or very bad. He could go on to blame the Emperor and ultimately himself to some extent & he would have turned back to the light side and would have sought revenge against the Emperor. He would have eventually leave the Sith and go off with his wife..... but maybe they would get a divorce or a restraining order and she would probably never forgive him to some extent for permanently or temporarily going to the dark side of the force.... and for turning against the Jedi.....

    If she lived and if Vader sought reconciliation instead of divorce, they might have found a way to go into hiding from the Emperor or find a way to kill the Emperor.... but only if Padme found a way to forgive him for killing jedi younglings.... and for the thing with Mace Windu going out the window.....

    But Padme would have probably divorced Anakin or something..... which would probably lead him back to join the Emperor.... and they would probably find her and kill her or use her as a slave....

    It seems that he just wanted to be with her. That is what he would say. they talked about how things could change after the war. Somehow, the Emperor persuaded him to do whatever necessary to save her and then the Emperor got him to see the Jedi as evil. I am sorry for talking about all of this. I know this thread is not about Anakin and his turn to the dark side and the Emperor and the Jedi Purge and those other things.

    So, to get back on topic, I would say that if Padme survived, she would have ran away (go into hiding) but if the Emperor knew then he would have still said that Vader killed her or something like what he said to Vader in ROTS.

    So, in conclusion, if she didn't die, then she would probably eventually die... unless if Ben and Yoda and others found ways to help protect her like they protected Leia in ANH. I prefer that Padme stay in the Rebellion and then she could be in the Rebels cartoons.

    Dear Disney, find a way to undo her death and get Padme into the Rebels cartoons.
Posted by at No comments:

Monday, March 23, 2015

Yoda's Personality: PT vs. OT

Yoda's Personality: PT vs. OT

Discussion in 'Star Wars Saga In-Depth' started by Joey Arnold, Sunday at 2:17 AM.
Watch Thread
Go To First Unread
Moderators: Lt.Cmdr.Thrawn, MOC Yak Face

  1. Joey Arnold Jedi Youngling

    Member Since:
    Sunday
    New
    Does the personality of Yoda in the PT (Prequel Trilogy) contradict his personality found in the OT (Original Trilogy)?

    I ask this mostly because I remember seeing a very sad, angry, serious, dark, twisted, Yoda in the Return of the Jedi where & when he tells Luke Skywalker that he will be very scared. I love Yoda and I am not here to talk about the fighting that Yoda does in the prequels. I am not here to argue for or against Yoda's mad skills of the prequels. I love seeing Yoda fight but I understand and respect the people that have problems with Yoda or with too much Jar Jar Binks or with the bad acting of baby Darth Vader or with the bad character development or other things. I like the prequels and I love the OT and the Clone Wars and Rebels and I just saw the comics with Maul and also the ones that take place after The New Hope. But never mind these details for now. I just want to talk about Yoda's personality.

    What does Yoda do after going into hiding?

    Did he dabble in the dark side?

    Is Yoda telling Luke that he will be scared for facing Vader in Jedi or for things that may happen after Jedi or what?

    I know Yoda is older in Empire and in Jedi, but it seems that he is so much more scarier and much more like evil looking or like more sad and mad and something or something when he is talking to Luke.

    Yoda did not seem to be as sad or angry during the prequels. Yoda didn't seem to be angry when fighting Dooku or even Sideous.

    What do you think?
    Joey Arnold, Sunday at 2:17 AM Report
    #1 Reply

  2. darth-sinister Manager Emeritus

    Member Since:
    Jun 29, 2001
    star 9
    New
    When Yoda told Luke that he will be afraid, he wasn't being dark and twisted. He was telling him a simple fact of life that comes with training in the Jedi Arts, he will be afraid. All Jedi Padawans will face fear as fear is the path to the dark side. Yoda himself also faced fear during his initial Jedi trial when he was a young Padawan and again during his sojourn during the Clone Wars, as shown in "Destiny".

    SERENITY: "At death, in order for you to preserve your identity, you must know yourself, your true self, and then let go. On that island dwells all that remains unconquered, what, in your existence, some call evil, otherwise known as fear, all which must be finally overcome before the journey can be taken. Free yourself, you must."

    YODA: "A Jedi Master I am. Know all that dwells within I do. Mastered my weaknesses and conquered my fears I have."

    SERENITY: "Have you? You must face your evil on that island and defeat it."


    YODA: "How shall I complete my training?"

    CONFUSION: "You must face the ultimate test, the ultimate seduction, the gravest of journeys."

    SADNESS: "You will travel to Moraband."

    YODA: "Moraband."

    ANGER: "Journey through the ancient home world of the Sith. Face all that you fear, all that haunts your soul!"

    Yoda's change is the result of what happened by the end of ROTS, with the Jedi Purge and all that was lost. But he is also wise enough to know that Luke's journey is just starting and part of that is that he will face himself and he knows that it will be a humbling experience for him.
    darth-sinister, Sunday at 3:25 AM Report
    #2 Reply
    Darth Raiden, darskpine10, Saga Explorer and 3 others like this.

  3. Joey Arnold Jedi Youngling

    Member Since:
    Sunday
    New




    Sure, that is true, you're right and I do agree. The greatest trial is facing yourself. Plus, the purge was a unique experience to endure. Yoda wanted to make sure that Luke would be focused enough not to fall to the dark side after Yoda goes to die.

    As far as the story goes, this is ok. I understand what is happening as a reader.

    I am not totally mad or confused or anything... all of this is ok to some extent....

    I understand the process of becoming a jedi and that it important to be focused..... you must endure trails.....

    I love the episodes in the clone wars in season 6 with yoda and the ancient creatures.....

    and also the other episodes with the other planet and the father and and the son and the daughter


    but

    my concern here might be either in the appearance of yoda's personality...... that it might be a little too dark.... like too much of a change...

    or in the editing of the films in the OT and then also in the way they made the PT....

    it might be in the makeup... in the lighting...

    in the way that the yoda puppet moved in Jedi.....

    and in Yoda's like drugged out eyes in Jedi.....

    it just seem that Yoda became more serious and bipolar after the purge

    and I wonder if Yoda was an alcoholic before the purge or not

    and I wonder if the bipolar split between silly yoda and killer yoda in Empire and Jedi is acceptable or not

    I am ok with it

    but Yoda was already about 800 years old in the PT

    and Yoda should have already developed that bipolar split before the PT

    but I guess this is what happens to jedi after the purge

    but Ben didn't become as biploar as Yoda

    why didn't Ben become bipolar?

    and how is Asoka doing after the purge?
    Joey Arnold, Sunday at 8:37 AM Report
    #3 Reply

  4. MOC Yak Face Old Films' Curator

    Manager
    Member Since:
    Jan 7, 2004
    star 4
    New
    Welcome to the boards @Joey Arnold. This is a very interesting post with its drug, alcohol and bipolar references.

    To address the original question, I would say no, there's not really a contradiction between the two trilogies when it comes to Yoda's personality. In the PT Yoda is earnest, determined, but mostly quite calm and self assured. Post purge, there is an understandable change as everything that he has so long stood for has been all but destroyed under his watch. There's a world weariness about him. A sense of trepidation. The seemingly contradictory 'bipolar' behaviour in TESB is just an act to test Luke.
    MOC Yak Face, Sunday at 10:01 AM Report
    #4 Reply
    Darth Raiden, FARK2005, Alexrd and 1 other person like this.

  5. Seagoat Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Jan 25, 2013
    star 4
    New
    It does on purpose - to show what he has learned

    In the OT alone, I never really thought much of Yoda. His development in the PT adds a whole new layer of meaning to his characterization in the OT and I can appreciate it much more. It feels more fulfilling and satisfying to see him go from overly sure of his own abilities to the more wisdom oriented master he is

    I think that the duel with Palpatine alone shows visually his development from the beginning with his defeat foreshadowing and answering what he would become. The novelization beautifully points out that it was only during the duel that Yoda really discovered what he had done wrong - he relied too much on the old ways and thought the issue could be solved by defeating the enemy in combat rather than progress into new techniques and use wisdom and the Force to prevent such conflicts from occurring. From what we see of him, we could easily infer that he had realized something like this

    "Failed, I have" refers to much more than just being defeated in the duel, and Frank Oz delivers that line with such a powerful weight

    I'm tired lol, it's hard for me right now to state what really makes Yoda so special to me; it would make him a much less interesting, static character were he characterized just like he was in the OT
    Seagoat, Sunday at 12:31 PM Report
    #5 Reply
    Saga Explorer likes this.

  6. MOC Yak Face Old Films' Curator

    Manager
    Member Since:
    Jan 7, 2004
    star 4
    New
    I think even before the PT, the implication is there in the OT that Yoda has taken a beating, physically, emotionally, metaphorically, and that this has helped to shape and transform his character at that point. The PT explains it well though.
    MOC Yak Face, Yesterday at 4:31 AM Report
    #6 Reply
    Iron_lord likes this.

  7. mes520 Jedi Grand Master

    Member Since:
    Nov 4, 2012
    star 3
    New
    In the OT alone, Yoda is the mysterious Jedi Master.

    In the PT, one of the biggest things, fans remember is that Yoda can fight. Which I think is good thing. It adds more to "size matters not". Also age matters not. Not only physical age, but also that you're never too old to learn. Yoda is flawed, which really adds to his character.
    mes520, Yesterday at 9:19 AM Report
    #7 Reply
    Saga Explorer and Iron_lord like this.

  8. darth-sinister Manager Emeritus

    Member Since:
    Jun 29, 2001
    star 9
    New
    The dark tone with Yoda in TESB is that the film itself was dark and so we see the duality. First, we see Yoda testing Luke's patience. Then we see him make his true feelings about the boy known, as Luke has become a disappointment to him. Then we the test by which Yoda will judge what kind of man Luke is trying to become by sending him into the cave, just as he went into it and the island on the Force planet. But then we see Yoda start to come around as Luke begins to catch on and evolve, all leading to his departure and Yoda's disappointment in Luke. He's seeing history repeat itself and he is not pleased at all.
    darth-sinister, Today at 12:29 AM Report
    #8 Reply
Posted by at No comments:

Force Ban

Yoda

Discussion in 'Unban Request Forum' started by Joey Arnold, Today at 4:10 AM.
Unwatch Thread

  1. Joey Arnold Jedi Youngling

    Member Since:
    Sunday
    I was banned. I was not told why. I published one post on this website about Yoda. I was not trying to say anything bad about Yoda. I also wrote a comment about my favorite films in a particular order. I wrote some comments and Created just one thread about Yoda as I already said. I am a new user. I joined a few days ago. I love Star Wars.
    .
    I create the new Yoda thread in a section that deals with the whole saga of Star Wars I think because my question was about Yoda and it is especially about a comparison of his personality in the PT, the prequel trilogy, and the OT, original trilogy, because Yoda seemed darked in Jedi.
    .
    I made an observation about Yoda and I just wanted to see if others see what I saw. I also want to know if Talzin is totally dead now or not. I watched the films, Clone Wars, and the first season of Rebels. I like that Maul is back
    Last edited by Joey Arnold, Today at 4:11 AM
    Joey Arnold, Today at 4:10 AM
    #1 Reply
    More options

  2. PrincessKenobi New Films Manager of DOOM

    Manager
    Member Since:
    Aug 12, 2000
    star 7
    You have another account which was banned. You can not post while banned without requesting to be unbanned.
    PrincessKenobi, Today at 5:41 AM
    #2 Reply

  3. Joey Arnold Jedi Youngling

    Member Since:
    Sunday
    New
    This website did not allow me to request an unban from the previous account that I had from last year. I logged back into that account today and was not able to access this section. I was banned from that account for being spam. My reputation is that of the boy that cries wolf. My reputation is here is an unforgiving scar, like a tattoo that refuses to see what is really there. I understand that administration is a tough job. You have to minimize spam as much as possible. I run into spam myself all of the time in emails and on Facebook. I have 5,000 friends and over 5,000 followers on Facebook. I am an American English Teacher in Vietnam. I run into all kinds of people all of the time. I block people all of the time.

    Please forgive me for what I did before from my previous account. I promise not to spam again. I promise to only write maybe about one comment per day or week. I can promise not to post threads. I can promise to post only short and very boring comments from now on. I can promise not to make any pop culture references or post any pictures of Yoda and popcorn or to talk about drunk Yoda.

    I understand that you must ban crazy people or people that do bad things or something like that. If you think that I must stay banned forever because of these things, then I understand, I guess. I understand if you think I am spam and crazy and weird and unstoppable and that Lucas hates me even tho Disney owns it now.

    I am a writer and a movie maker and an artist and a musician and I love creativity. I like this community but I feel that I was unfairly banned. Someday, I may become famous. If you do not unban me, I may someday seek revenge or something...... but you probably don't care about that. As far as you know, I am just a twelve year old kid in a basement.

    Look up my name, Joey Arnold, for more information about me on the internet.
    Joey Arnold, A moment ago Edit
    #3 Reply
    More options
Posted by at No comments:

Saturday, March 21, 2015

yoda


Joey Arnold Jedi Youngling

Member Since:
Today
New




Sure, that is true, you're right and I do agree. The greatest trial is facing yourself. Plus, the purge was a unique experience to endure. Yoda wanted to make sure that Luke would be focused enough not to fall to the dark side after Yoda goes to die.

As far as the story goes, this is ok. I understand what is happening as a reader.

I am not totally mad or confused or anything... all of this is ok to some extent....

I understand the process of becoming a jedi and that it important to be focused..... you must endure trails.....

I love the episodes in the clone wars in season 6 with yoda and the ancient creatures.....

and also the other episodes with the other planet and the father and and the son and the daughter


but

my concern here might be either in the appearance of yoda's personality...... that it might be a little too dark.... like too much of a change...

or in the editing of the films in the OT and then also in the way they made the PT....

it might be in the makeup... in the lighting...

in the way that the yoda puppet moved in Jedi.....

and in Yoda's like drugged out eyes in Jedi.....

it just seem that Yoda became more serious and bipolar after the purge

and I wonder if Yoda was an alcoholic before the purge or not

and I wonder if the bipolar split between silly yoda and killer yoda in Empire and Jedi is acceptable or not

I am ok with it

but Yoda was already about 800 years old in the PT

and Yoda should have already developed that bipolar split before the PT

but I guess this is what happens to jedi after the purge

but Ben didn't become as biploar as Yoda

why didn't Ben become bipolar?

and how is Asoka doing after the purge?
Joey Arnold, A moment ago Edit Report
#3 Reply
More options
Posted by at No comments:

Star Wars Favorite to least 6 Films

1. ROTJ is my favorite because the good guys win: Luke saving Vader: Leia saving Solo: for the death of the Emperor, Fett, Hutt, & the 2nd Death Star: for the revelation that Luke & Leia are sisters: for the fight between Vader & Luke: the dialogs: the battles with the teddy bears and in space: for seeing Ben again: for the things that Yoda says and especially in Yoda scary us to death before dying himself: Yoda says we will be so scared and then he dies

2. ROTS: because it is like ESB but with more violence: I like how it begins in space and I like that Vader kills that old man and that Ben kills that Vader wannabe with 85 arms. I love the acting and dialogs. I mostly love the fight between Ben and Vader. The bad people win at the end just as they do in ESB.

3. ESB because, OMG, Vader is Luke's father, for Lando, for the introduction to Yoda, the training, the love drama of Solo and Leia, for the action on Hoth, for the action in space, for the carbon dating or carbon freezing of Solo, and for the fight between father and son

4. ANH because of the introduction to the characters, the dialogs, the events that prepares people for this universe for the first time, for the way they introduce Vader, Leia, the robots, R2D2, C3PO, Chewie, Solo, Luke, the rebels, and especially Ben. The most exciting part is the destruction of the Death Star.

5. TPM because of fight with Maul, the beauty of Naboo, the introduction of baby Vader, the mother of Leia, Jar Jar (whom I like), the emperor, the master of Ben, a look at the Jedi Council for the first time, Yoda, Mace Windu, the pod racing, mr. Hutt, and especially Maul. I love the fight with Maul.

6. AOTC is my least favorite because it did not have as cool as action or dialog or other things as the other 5 films had, but I like the fight with Dooku and Dooku's talk with Ben and seeing Vader going after a shape shifter that you may find from Star Trek's Deep Space Nine. I like the father of Fett and the introduction to the clone wars. I love seeing Yoda fight. I love seeing the jedi fight. In some ways, I like AOtC more than ANH even, but ANH still has better conversations and overall story telling qualities. AOTC has more action but ANH has better pacing and better focus on just a few characters that we can fall in love with more. I still love the characters found in the prequels but I understand why people like the characters of the OT.

I tend to like the characters of the OT more than those of the PT. But I still love the PT as well as the OT and the clone wars and rebels and Maul, etc....
Joey Arnold, A moment ago Edit Report
#786 Reply
More options
Posted by at No comments:

Thursday, March 19, 2015

cumbos

Donald Cumbo Age 47 View Details
Forest Grove, OR
McMinnville, OR
Forest Grove, OR
Teresa Lynn Cumbo
Verna J Cumbo
Tiffany R Cumbo
Posted by at No comments:
Subscribe to: Posts (Atom)